diff --git a/egs/librispeech/ASR/conformer_ctc/subsampling.py b/egs/librispeech/ASR/conformer_ctc/subsampling.py
index 3b35c2ebe..600156bf1 100644
--- a/egs/librispeech/ASR/conformer_ctc/subsampling.py
+++ b/egs/librispeech/ASR/conformer_ctc/subsampling.py
@@ -206,3 +206,70 @@ class ExpScale(torch.nn.Module):
 
     def forward(self, x: Tensor) -> Tensor:
         return x * (self.scale * self.speed).exp()
+
+
+
+def _exp_scale_swish(x: Tensor, scale: Tensor, speed: float) -> Tensor:
+    return (x * torch.sigmoid(x)) * (scale * speed).exp()
+
+
+def _exp_scale_swish_backward(x: Tensor, scale: Tensor, speed: float) -> Tensor:
+    return (x * torch.sigmoid(x)) * (scale * speed).exp()
+
+
+class ExpScaleSwishFunction(torch.autograd.Function):
+    @staticmethod
+    def forward(ctx, x: Tensor, scale: Tensor, speed: float) -> Tensor:
+        ctx.save_for_backward(x, scale)
+        ctx.speed = speed
+        return _exp_scale_swish(x, scale, speed)
+
+    @staticmethod
+    def backward(ctx, y_grad: Tensor) -> Tensor:
+        x, scale = ctx.saved_tensors
+        x.requires_grad = True
+        scale.requires_grad = True
+        with torch.enable_grad():
+            y = _exp_scale_swish(x, scale, ctx.speed)
+            y.backward(gradient=y_grad)
+            return x.grad, scale.grad, None
+
+
+class ExpScaleSwish(torch.nn.Module):
+    # combines ExpScale an Swish
+    # caution: need to specify name for speed, e.g. ExpScaleSwish(50, speed=4.0)
+    def __init__(self, *shape, speed: float = 1.0):
+        super(ExpScaleSwish, self).__init__()
+        self.scale = nn.Parameter(torch.zeros(*shape))
+        self.speed = speed
+
+    def forward(self, x: Tensor) -> Tensor:
+        return ExpScaleSwishFunction.apply(x, self.scale, self.speed)
+    # return (x * torch.sigmoid(x)) * (self.scale * self.speed).exp()
+        # return x * (self.scale * self.speed).exp()
+
+def _test_exp_scale_swish():
+    class Swish(torch.nn.Module):
+        def forward(self, x: Tensor) -> Tensor:
+            """Return Swich activation function."""
+            return x * torch.sigmoid(x)
+
+    x1 = torch.randn(50, 60).detach()
+    x2 = x1.detach()
+
+    m1 = ExpScaleSwish(50, 1, speed=4.0)
+    m2 = torch.nn.Sequential(Swish(), ExpScale(50, 1, speed=4.0))
+    x1.requires_grad = True
+    x2.requires_grad = True
+
+    y1 = m1(x1)
+    y2 = m2(x2)
+    assert torch.allclose(y1, y2)
+    y1.sum().backward()
+    y2.sum().backward()
+    assert torch.allclose(x1.grad, x2.grad)
+
+
+
+if __name__ == '__main__':
+    _test_exp_scale_swish()
diff --git a/egs/librispeech/ASR/transducer_stateless/conformer.py b/egs/librispeech/ASR/transducer_stateless/conformer.py
index 59f317e90..3386ed9b2 100644
--- a/egs/librispeech/ASR/transducer_stateless/conformer.py
+++ b/egs/librispeech/ASR/transducer_stateless/conformer.py
@@ -156,8 +156,7 @@ class ConformerEncoderLayer(nn.Module):
 
         self.feed_forward = nn.Sequential(
             nn.Linear(d_model, dim_feedforward),
-            Swish(),
-            ExpScale(dim_feedforward, speed=4.0),
+            ExpScaleSwish(dim_feedforward, speed=4.0),
             nn.Dropout(dropout),
             nn.Linear(dim_feedforward, d_model),
         )
@@ -165,7 +164,7 @@ class ConformerEncoderLayer(nn.Module):
         self.feed_forward_macaron = nn.Sequential(
             nn.Linear(d_model, dim_feedforward),
             Swish(),
-            ExpScale(dim_feedforward, speed=4.0),
+            ExpScaleSwish(dim_feedforward, speed=4.0),
             nn.Dropout(dropout),
             nn.Linear(dim_feedforward, d_model),
         )